Toning with Transtint and Shellac
I have a piece of furniture that I built out of Birch Ply and Poplar Hardwood. It looks great! I did lots or research before staining because I was afraid that the 2 species would stain diffrent and thay did (on scrap of corse). I researched some more and found that Sherwin Williams has a stain by Sherwood called BAC Wiping Stain. This is an awesome product. It stained everything even and the same color. It looks great. ONLY PROBLEM is that id did not come out as dark as I wanted it (Dark Walnut). The stain recommends only 1 coat. I did more research and found that if I get some Dark Walnut Transtint and mix it in with Waxfree Shellac (sealcoat), I can spray it on as a toner and darken it as dark as I want. After the toner, I will seal with a final coat of Polyclearic. OK.... Has anyone done this before? I am attempting this tomorrow in hopes that it will work. Any advise for me? Anyone?
I appreciate any input anyone can give. Thanks
I appreciate any input anyone can give. Thanks
Tags: birch, finish, poplar, sealcoat, shellac, spray, transtint
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Permalink Reply by Mark Anderson on -
I have used trans tint as a toner in shellac/lacquer/ and just ethanol many times. Never went over it with polyclearic though. Shouldn't be a problem with shellac though.
The desk in my profile and the crib and shelf all use a toner. The shelf was done with dark walnut too i believe.
Poplar can really come out nice if you first cancel out the green with a redish dye. It one of my favorite woods for doing an espresso finish on.
One piece of advice..go with a 1 lb cut of shellac and mist in on light and try not to over lap ...wait for it to dry..a few minutes and if not dark enough repeat. Really try and sneak up on it...and when you hit one more shade lighter than you want STOP. Do some serious thinking and if it's just about perfect..step away from the gun.
When mixing you aren't going to go through with it. Remember you can always shift browns red greens by their compliments.
Being able to shoot toner takes alot out of the misery having to worry about if a stain is too this or that.
Show us some before and after pics.
Let me know if you have any questions.
M
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Permalink Reply by Ray Urdaz on -
Thanks Mark, I am new to this type of finishing. I have done plenty of clear finish, but not dark walnuts. I will post some pictures of the unit I am talking about. The pictures with the stain on it is of corse before the toning.
I will try it tommorow and post the after pictures. Look for it. Hope it works out!
Thanks again Mark for your comments!
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Permalink Reply by Mark Anderson on
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I remember when i first did toner i was nervous but when i got use to it..i was thrilled....remember to try in on a sample board..
Here is how i figured out how to tweak my technique.
Get a board about 3'f long
Put down a stain...
Then start from one end of the board and go the full distance with your toner. Thinking misting it on.
Then do a second coat of toner on the board but start 6" away from the start of the board and go to the end and repeat every 6" till you hit the end.
You should endup with a board that has a sequence of intensifying colors.
The is a great way of figuring out how intense you want your toner to be.
Hope this little practice helps.
M
Ray Urdaz said:Thanks Mark, I am new to this type of finishing. I have done plenty of clear finish, but not dark walnuts. I will post some pictures of the unit I am talking about. The pictures with the stain on it is of corse before the toning.
I will try it tommorow and post the after pictures. Look for it. Hope it works out!
Thanks again Mark for your comments!
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Permalink Reply by Mark Anderson on
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A really nice trick when it comes to popular...to make it look not like popular is to first put on a amber toner. Then shot it to whatever you are toning..it put some really nice subtle highlights on the poplar.
I'll try send a photo tomorrow.
Ray Urdaz said:Thanks Mark, I am new to this type of finishing. I have done plenty of clear finish, but not dark walnuts. I will post some pictures of the unit I am talking about. The pictures with the stain on it is of corse before the toning.
I will try it tommorow and post the after pictures. Look for it. Hope it works out!
Thanks again Mark for your comments!
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Permalink Reply by Ace HoleInOne on -
Ray,
The Sherwin Williams BAC is an oil stain. Is there a reason you stopped at only one coat? Did you let it sit on the wood for about 10 minuets? You can reapply another coat within an hour. Excess stain will cause adhesion issues so wipe stains clean removing excess stain.
-Ace-
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Permalink Reply by Ray Urdaz on
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Hey Ace,
I did give it 2 coats of stain though it was not recommended. Still not dark enough. I uploaded the pictures.
I am going to tone it tomorrow to darken it.
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Permalink Reply by Ray Urdaz on
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Hey Mark,
I uploaded the pictures. Check them out.
Mark Anderson said:A really nice trick when it comes to popular...to make it look not like popular is to first put on a amber toner. Then shot it to whatever you are toning..it put some really nice subtle highlights on the poplar.
I'll try send a photo tomorrow.
Ray Urdaz said:Thanks Mark, I am new to this type of finishing. I have done plenty of clear finish, but not dark walnuts. I will post some pictures of the unit I am talking about. The pictures with the stain on it is of corse before the toning.
I will try it tommorow and post the after pictures. Look for it. Hope it works out!
Thanks again Mark for your comments!
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Permalink Reply by Mark Anderson on
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Ray... I think you are on the right track....if that was me after 2 coats of stain...I'd put a sealer on it and tone it.
Remember to get spray a practice peice with some of your dye on it FIRST.
Ray Urdaz said:Hey Mark,
I uploaded the pictures. Check them out.
Mark Anderson said:A really nice trick when it comes to popular...to make it look not like popular is to first put on a amber toner. Then shot it to whatever you are toning..it put some really nice subtle highlights on the poplar.
I'll try send a photo tomorrow.
Ray Urdaz said:Thanks Mark, I am new to this type of finishing. I have done plenty of clear finish, but not dark walnuts. I will post some pictures of the unit I am talking about. The pictures with the stain on it is of corse before the toning.
I will try it tommorow and post the after pictures. Look for it. Hope it works out!
Thanks again Mark for your comments!
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Permalink Reply by Ray Urdaz on
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Can anyone tell me.... Do I have to seal it first with the wax free shellac and then mix in the Transtint and shellac on the second coat? or can I spray the first coat with the transtint already in the shellac?...
Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Ace HoleInOne on
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Ray....just saw your pics. Is your desire to even things out, or get darker? If you go for darker, your dark will get darker!
Do you have spray capabilities?
Ray Urdaz said:Can anyone tell me.... Do I have to seal it first with the wax free shellac and then mix in the Transtint and shellac on the second coat? or can I spray the first coat with the transtint already in the shellac?...
Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Ray Urdaz on
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It is not too blotchy, so I am really going for Darker. Do you know if I am supposed to spray plain shellac first and then the tinted Shellac or does it matter?
Ace HoleInOne said:Ray....just saw your pics. Is your desire to even things out, or get darker? If you go for darker, your dark will get darker!
Ray Urdaz said:Can anyone tell me.... Do I have to seal it first with the wax free shellac and then mix in the Transtint and shellac on the second coat? or can I spray the first coat with the transtint already in the shellac?...
Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Mark Anderson on
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I'd seal it or washcoat it first with lac or shellac 1 1/2 cut this will seal off the wood an lock down your previous stain coats ...if you do this you do not have to worry about the next coat blotching.
Then use your tinted shellac 1/2 - 1lb cut.
After you are happy with the color put on a seal coat and then use your favorite top coat.
Ray Urdaz said:It is not too blotchy, so I am really going for Darker. Do you know if I am supposed to spray plain shellac first and then the tinted Shellac or does it matter?
Ace HoleInOne said:Ray....just saw your pics. Is your desire to even things out, or get darker? If you go for darker, your dark will get darker!
Ray Urdaz said:Can anyone tell me.... Do I have to seal it first with the wax free shellac and then mix in the Transtint and shellac on the second coat? or can I spray the first coat with the transtint already in the shellac?...
Thanks!
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